GUI doesn't quit on Mac
I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific. MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions. And the current and last several versions of BaseX — Steve M.
I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line command. On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) < sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions. And the current and last several versions of BaseX
— Steve M.
Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior [1]. I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the menu or b) the red icon? [1] https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/base... Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line command.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) < sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions. And the current and last several versions of BaseX
— Steve M.
It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu. — Steve.
On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün <christian.gruen@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior [1].
I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the menu or b) the red icon?
[1] https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/base... <https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/basex/gui/layout/BaseXLayout.java#L584>
Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com <mailto:joewiz@gmail.com>> schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54: I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line command.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu <mailto:sdm7g@virginia.edu>> wrote: I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions. And the current and last several versions of BaseX
— Steve M.
As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red window button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single window only apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows will keep the app open; apps that remain open after their windows are closed generally take a click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a new window. But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the app. Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the red window button as a request to Quit. A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update or finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes present the user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when accepted, causes the OS to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX causes the restart to fail, because it will not quit when told, and the restart will time out unless you find out how to quit it. (I use control-C in the Terminal window where I ran the `basexgui` command.) I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks! On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) < sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu.
— Steve.
On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün <christian.gruen@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior [1].
I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the menu or b) the red icon?
[1] https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/base...
Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line command.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) < sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions. And the current and last several versions of BaseX
— Steve M.
Hi Joe, Hi list, I remember having a shared screen-screen-session with Christian not too long ago, where we tried to pin down the issue and iirc “it worked back then” — but obviously not for too long. It’s a rather odd behavior I fully agree with Joe, whether we click that little X or select Quit from the menu bar, the app should fully close. We are looking into this again :-) You may follow my progress here: https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/pull/2149 Best Michael Von: BaseX-Talk <basex-talk-bounces@mailman.uni-konstanz.de> im Auftrag von Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com> Datum: Mittwoch, 9. November 2022 um 01:21 An: Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu> Cc: BaseX <basex-talk@mailman.uni-konstanz.de> Betreff: Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red window button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single window only apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows will keep the app open; apps that remain open after their windows are closed generally take a click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a new window. But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the app. Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the red window button as a request to Quit. A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update or finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes present the user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when accepted, causes the OS to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX causes the restart to fail, because it will not quit when told, and the restart will time out unless you find out how to quit it. (I use control-C in the Terminal window where I ran the `basexgui` command.) I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks! On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu<mailto:sdm7g@virginia.edu>> wrote: It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu. — Steve. On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün <christian.gruen@gmail.com<mailto:christian.gruen@gmail.com>> wrote: Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior [1]. I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the menu or b) the red icon? [1] https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/base... Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com<mailto:joewiz@gmail.com>> schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54: I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line command. On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu<mailto:sdm7g@virginia.edu>> wrote: I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific. MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions. And the current and last several versions of BaseX — Steve M.
Hi Joe, hi Steve, Thanks to Michael’s initiative, a new snapshot is available that may solve the problems you observed [1]. Your feedback is welcome, Christian PS: BaseX 10.4 will be released before end of this month. [1] https://files.basex.org/releases/latest/ On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 9:47 AM Michael Seiferle <ms@basex.org> wrote:
Hi Joe,
Hi list,
I remember having a shared screen-screen-session with Christian not too long ago, where we tried to pin down the issue and iirc “it worked back then” — but obviously not for too long. It’s a rather odd behavior
I fully agree with Joe, whether we click that little X or select Quit from the menu bar, the app should fully close.
We are looking into this again :-)
You may follow my progress here: https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/pull/2149
Best
Michael
Von: BaseX-Talk <basex-talk-bounces@mailman.uni-konstanz.de> im Auftrag von Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com> Datum: Mittwoch, 9. November 2022 um 01:21 An: Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu> Cc: BaseX <basex-talk@mailman.uni-konstanz.de> Betreff: Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac
As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red window button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single window only apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows will keep the app open; apps that remain open after their windows are closed generally take a click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a new window.
But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the app. Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the red window button as a request to Quit.
A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update or finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes present the user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when accepted, causes the OS to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX causes the restart to fail, because it will not quit when told, and the restart will time out unless you find out how to quit it. (I use control-C in the Terminal window where I ran the `basexgui` command.)
I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks!
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu.
— Steve.
On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün <christian.gruen@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior [1].
I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the menu or b) the red icon?
[1] https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/base...
Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line command.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions.
And the current and last several versions of BaseX
— Steve M.
This works perfectly, Christian. Thank you! On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 4:51 AM Christian Grün <christian.gruen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Joe, hi Steve,
Thanks to Michael’s initiative, a new snapshot is available that may solve the problems you observed [1].
Your feedback is welcome, Christian
PS: BaseX 10.4 will be released before end of this month.
[1] https://files.basex.org/releases/latest/
On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 9:47 AM Michael Seiferle <ms@basex.org> wrote:
Hi Joe,
Hi list,
I remember having a shared screen-screen-session with Christian not too
long ago, where we tried to pin down the issue and iirc “it worked back then” — but obviously not for too long. It’s a rather odd behavior
I fully agree with Joe, whether we click that little X or select Quit
from the menu bar, the app should fully close.
We are looking into this again :-)
You may follow my progress here:
https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/pull/2149
Best
Michael
Von: BaseX-Talk <basex-talk-bounces@mailman.uni-konstanz.de> im Auftrag
von Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com>
Datum: Mittwoch, 9. November 2022 um 01:21 An: Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) <sdm7g@virginia.edu> Cc: BaseX <basex-talk@mailman.uni-konstanz.de> Betreff: Re: [basex-talk] GUI doesn't quit on Mac
As a Mac user, I do not generally expect closing a window via the red window button to quit an app. With only a few exceptions (e.g., single window only apps like the Calculator), closing any/all of an app's windows will keep the app open; apps that remain open after their windows are closed generally take a click on the app's Dock icon as a signal to open a new window.
But I do expect that selecting Quit via the menu bar will fully quit the app. Respecting that Quit command is far more important than treating the red window button as a request to Quit.
A few times I've needed to restart my Mac to install a software update or finish installing a piece of software. Typically, these processes present the user with a dialog to trigger the restart, which, when accepted, causes the OS to quit all open apps. In this scenario, BaseX causes the restart to fail, because it will not quit when told, and the restart will time out unless you find out how to quit it. (I use control-C in the Terminal window where I ran the `basexgui` command.)
I hope this sheds some light on the matter. Thanks!
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 3:11 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) < sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
It looks like it does exit, after a short delay, when closed by clicking the red button on the window, instead of quoting from the menu.
— Steve.
On Nov 8, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Christian Grün <christian.gruen@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the observation. Mac support was improved in general with Java 11, but it still requires some OS-specific tweaks in the code. Our current solution may not be complete enough to achieve the expected default behavior [1].
I’m no Mac user, but does it make a difference if the GUI is quit a) via the menu or b) the red icon?
[1] https://github.com/BaseXdb/basex/blob/main/basex-core/src/main/java/org/base...
Joe Wicentowski <joewiz@gmail.com> schrieb am Di., 8. Nov. 2022, 20:54:
I've been experiencing this problem too on macOS (both 12 Monterey and now 13 Ventura), installed via Homebrew, and started via the `basexgui` command line command.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 1:02 PM Majewski, Steven Dennis (sdm7g) < sdm7g@virginia.edu> wrote:
I’ve been having a problem for a while where after attempting to quit the Mac GUI, it doesn’t actually exit and has to be force quit. I’m sorry I wasn’t able to track how this tracks with MacOS / JDK / BaseX updates and when it actually started happening. Wondering if anyone else has had this issue, and whether it’s Mac specific or JDK version specific.
MacOS 12.6.1 but problem goes back at least to earlier 12.6 versions
Openjdk from home-brew install — currently openjdk/19.0.1, but was happening on earlier versions.
And the current and last several versions of BaseX
— Steve M.
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